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משכיל בינה's avatar

Some of what you write here just isn't correct.

1) Though it is a minor point, there has been an Arab party, in fact an Islamist one, in an ruling coalition, from 2021-22. The more serious issue is that the reason Arab parties can't be included in ruling coalitions is that (with the exception of Ra'am and that only in the last 5 years) they don't want to compromise on their opposition to Israel being Jewish state. Meretz have repeatedly tried to form an block with Hadash for electoral purposes and Hadash won't agree because Meretz is too Zionist. This would make some kind of sense if these parties advocated a 1 State solution, but in fact that they advocate a 2 State solution: one a multiracial democracy and the other an ethnically pure Arab state.

2) At the beginning of the movement, there were about 12 million Jews in Europe, and about 500,000 residents of Palestine. If 1/6 of European Jews had moved to Palestine, then a Jewish majority state could easily have been established with zero expulsions. It didn't work that way because of restrictions to immigration and an unwillingness of many Jews to go when they were lifted, plus, more crucially, natural population growth of the Arab population thanks to malaria control and the Haber Bosch process. Nevertheless, that was the plan, and it is incorrect to impute what happened later to the Zionist movement from its inception.

3) Palestine was not one county either prior to 1948, or prior to Zionism. It was a very backwards parts of the Ottoman empire, divided between four separate administrative districts, and a massive shithole basically. It was ravaged by the Druze revolt in the 1870s, following decades long war between the Egyptian monarchy and the Ottomans for control. During WW1, about a quarter of the population died of starvation or disease.

As for interpretation, it's obviously true that Israel is not a democratic state in the borders it administers, but democracy can be looked at along different dimensions. In Athens, only about 10% of people could vote, but that doesn't mean there is no analytical value in thinking of it as democracy. I would say that Israel is plagued not so much by the illusion that it is democratic, but by the fact that in some ways it is genuinely is democratic. What that means in practice is that (a) its policy is beholden to the dumbest most ignorant part of the population whom Likud turn out each election and (b) the attempts of the elite to govern the country have to filtered through the distortions of left-liberalism, which leads to disasters like the Oslo process (which had a strong rationale, but could not be implemented properly because that rationale could not be articulated).

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John FosterBey's avatar

Charles I’m astonished at your willingness to make profound conclusions about a region you clearly know little about. At a minimum you should acknowledge there are competing narratives about the establishment and settling of different parts of the Middle East.

First, there has never been an historical Palestine. Indeed, Palestine is a modern post WWII invention. Prior to the Arab invasion, the Levant was dominated by Roman Empire. Jews settled and ruled the area prior to the Roman invasion. But because certain segments of the Jewish population refused to accept Roman rule they were partially expelled and as a punishment the Romans renamed the area Palestine as an insult to the Jews since Palestine was the name of their ancient rivals for control of the area.

While the Arabs displaced the Romans as rulers of the Levant, they were in turn conquered and displaced by the Ottomans. The Ottomans ruled the area for hundreds of years until they were defeated by the allies at the end of WWI. During this period, the Levant was never considered an independent nation of Palestine—it was a part of the Ottoman empire. While many national and cultural groups were ruled by the Ottomans, the only legitimate political entity was the empire. During this time Jews made up a considerable proportion of the populations subjugated by the Ottoman Empire.

At the end of WWI a promise was made by the allies that the subject cultural and national groups would be able to form their own independent nations out of the remnants of the now defeated Ottoman Empire. The allies promised not just the Arabs but also the Jews that they could form independent states.

Second, other than the USA, Australia maybe New Zealand which states are not ethno-states? Are France, Italy, Greece or Germany, Japan, China, e.g., not based on an ethnic identity. While these countries have started to incorporate immigrants from other cultures to be part of the nation, to be a citizen but the identity of citizenship was and still is based on not just land or soil but also blood. To my knowledge, we do not say France, Italy or Japan cannot be considered democratic unless they reject their ethnic roots. Why do so many apply a different standard to Israel. Within Israel citizenship is given to multiple cultural and ethnic groups—including Arabs. Israel has as much right to consider itself a Jewish state and democratic as France or Japan.

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